This is not the final release -
something can be changed.
Minutes of preparatory
meeting of 16 - 18 April 2004
when more debate is needed and a
when people are needed to take the .responsibility for the task talked about,
when a clear consensus was sortedout.
- Who's who ?
- Short presentation of the
various groups and people who participated to the meeting
- People and groups already
involved with something
- Global coordination group
- Presentation of the various
groups involved inside the DSM network
- Logistic and content
- visitif of resnik and first
discussions about the various sites of the conference
- a few words about local politics
- Info-sharing note from javier
- General Logistic of the conference
- working groups
- coordination group
- Logistic / specific issues
- people coming to belgrade
before the conference
- next preparation meetings
- archives of the pga-process
- generic mandate for all
- campsite / venue and
- internet café
- hardware things
- Kids group
- water and sanitary things
- finance report
- contact group
- contacts with the no border
- Groups from eastern Europe
linked with social forums
- work on the newsletter
- work on the conference
- Limits on opening
- IRC meetings
- new conference newsletter
- Visibility and medias
- opening event in Belgrade
- contacts with local people
- wages and money during
- content and programm :
- Main issues and how we'll
work on it
- about the gender group
- the cultural programm
- Evaluation and feedbacks on
I) Who's who ?
A ) Presentation of the various
groups and people who participated to the meeting / and what they're already
involved with in the conference preparation
(I couldn't take detailed
notes about every groups and there might be some bad mistakes in the names and
presentation, so please give corrections for the final version)
- J London Action Ressource
Center, London / Involved in communication translation, media
- M, Eurodusnie (Leiden
anarchist collective) / involved in finances, fundraising, website
- C, belgrade, DSM / involved
with the infrastructures and kids group
- D, resnik, belgrade
DSM / involved in finance and culture group
- P, leiden, eurodunie
/ finance, soudsystem
- S, belgrade, SUS, DSM
- M, finland, various
squatting and political groups
- M, belgrade, DSM /contact
- P bosnia, anticapitalist,
food not bombs, animal liberation collectives with changing names,
- I, belgrade, student
in biology, volunteer
- I, belgrade, immigration
collective, DSM / content group finance and visibility,
- M, belgrade, DSM / culture,
- A, belgrade DSM / content
- A, london, LARC, library/
- J, london, LARC and
radio project, agriculture and genetic engeniering
- F, belgrade DSM / relations
with local communities in resnik, culture group
- T, dijon, espace autogéré
- M, dijon, espace autogéré
- R, PRINT / communication,
media and computer infrastrructures
- N, dijon, espace autogéré
des tanneries, involved with sans-titre network /contact group, gender isssues.
- J, ales involved with
sans-titre / kids groups
- M, Cardiff, anarchist
network / moderates the process list.
- T, hungary, liked with
social forums and altergobalists groups /
- M infopoints network,
- N, infoshop in slovenia.
- P,GB and Zagreb,
- I, Belgrade
- M, DSM, indymedia Belgrade,
B) People and groups already involved
- Finance : paki.tv[AT]cyber-rights.net
- Wiki : paki.tv[AT]cyber-rights.net
- Food : bozavine[AT]yahoo.co - seeds[AT]gn.apc.org
- (Milan SPK) decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- kids groups : ikkyu[AT]no-log.org
- Water and electricity : mi.family[AT]sezampro.yu
- finance : (paco) paco[AT]eurodusnie.nl
- (Milan SPK) decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- internet cafe : rom / djrom[AT]altern.org
- Equipment/hardware : mi.family[AT]sezampro.yu
- Volunteers : skrati[AT]yahoo.com
- Campsite/venue/lodging : zabac_car[AT]yahoo.com
- contact with the no border network
- Culture : decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- video collective : decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- Pga-process list : bozavine[AT]yahoo.co.uk
- Contact group : pgaeuconfcontact[AT]riseup.net
- nicolu[AT]no-log.org - milosh stephan - synergesis[AT]yahoo.de - zapata[AT]sezampro.yu
- website : serge[AT]eurodusnie.nl
- content group : migrativeart[AT]skynet.be
- Sound system and radio station
: zabac_car[AT]yahoo.com - javier[AT]spc.org
- translation : zapata[AT]sezampro.yu
- Application : ???????????
- Press team : ??????????
- Medical : ????????
- Legal : ?????????
- Electricity : ???????????
- Sleeping spaces : ?????
- Visas : ??????
- contact activities with locals
before the conference : ???
C) Global coordination group :
- Logistics : marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl
- Program : (maybe someone from
sans-titre/ stella) / migrativeart[AT]skynet.be
- Finance : seeds[AT]gn.apc.org / decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- Communication : zapata[AT]sezampro.yu
D) Presentation of the various groups
involved inside the DSM network :
- Block is a group who
try to rethink anarchism in a renewed way and wich is orientated in theoriticalwork.
- Stany pany collective
is a two years old collective wich started as a group of people doing illegal
benefit parties. It’s active in doing organisation of pga and is doing
anti-war actions. They made some networking with kosovo, croeatia and network
with wider collectives
- kollektiv Immigratie
: it was foundating during the war in Belgium. They work on the topic of transnational
identities with people from Belgium, luxembourg and Holland. They work with
excluded subjects in the society (in Belgium with sans-papiers and workers
from Renault villevoorde)
- Political combinate works
on a theater play with excluded people in belgrade. Especially with roma people
who have difficulties with school, refugees, unemployed, and Chinese. They
also work a lot on printing materials.
- SUS is a youth radical
left group. They’re students and are involved with activities at the
university. They do infrastructure job for dsm. They want to legalise marijuana
and free education.
- Good will group is a
student group.linked with SUS
- Biology students : Campains
against vivisection, environnement.
Other groups around but not involved
with the conference :
- Black block hip-hop (benefits
concerts and concerts)
- AZIN : huge network / feminist
- Society to fight against the society
from novisad. They’re working on magazine called atheist.
- Subwar is a group of people who
are doing food not bombs actions and anti war actions.
- Prota contra are doing street
theatre / puppet theatre to fight against joining the NATO.
The number of people of DSM involved
in the conference process is around 15 people for the core group and can sometimes
go to thirty in some meetings.
A) visit if of resnik and first
discussions about the various sites of the conference
there are various possibilities
for the welcoming of the participants : camping or being welcome in some people's
home. It should be mentionned in the conference application form wich solution
List of venues (javier's
report gives new informations about the locations and is thererefore added to
- 2 possible camps
near the lake
(problem with the one near the dam wich is very boggy and wich is a public
access and therefore could retrain people’s freedom of use of this space)
/apparently it’s free because it’s owned by the state.
- It could be a good place
to organize outreach activities with locals.
- The negociations are
done with the vice-president from the council area. They just need to sign
a contract. It would mean that the people who usually use this place for sheeps
would have to go elsewhere. We’ll have to tell them well in advance
that this field will be used. I asked wether it would be possible to go with
some international people on monday and to meet with the municipality. There
could be a little wooden bridge built between the two fields
- stage field : there’s
a problem with the noise that could be made for neighbours.
- The lake : twenty to
fifty locals are usually going at the lake to swim during summer’s afternoon.
The lake also bring us a problem of security with possibilities of people
drowning. There’s also a problem with the cleanness of the lake.
- the school is
negociated with the schoolmanagement and the agreement needs to be formalised.
It can welcome 25/30 people per classrooms and there are five classrooms.
The school might have some cost. There might some renovation of the school
- (ps : I might add that
we heard of quite bad mafia stories about the management of the school. Stories
that would need to cget checked. maybe jean-phi can explain exactly what he
- the field near the school
: it’s going to be flatten in the next few weeks.. It could welcome
one hundred tents and/or a kitchen. It’s a good place for children’s
as there is a playground.
old community center
- there’s a room
for around 100 people and we can do cinemas there. Chairs are needed for that
there's another room where there could be workshops (30 – 50 people)
- it’s owned by the
- nobody uses it during the summer
- two workers unions want to give
us a space to meet in the factory. It belongs to unions. It’s in Rakovica
at five minutes by bus from resnik. We might need a bus and arrange transport.
Maybe we could use the union bus. These unions are local groups of big unions
from yougoslavia and apparently they work in a more or less independent way.
A meeting with them has to be organised..
Tents near the refugee camp
- it’s a camp of 400 hundred
people from Kosovo and made of barracks that were used for workers. They live
a very miserable life. There are still a few people from bosnia. There could
be a space for workshops. migrativeart[AT]skynet.be is connected with the people
in the refugee camp.
- field across the lake : one is
a private land. The owner has to be found. There’s no road access and
no electricity access.
- this field could be a place for
kids as it looks safer than other places.
- another one is state owned and
could be asked as well.
- it can be used for open theater
and art performance outside. A stage could be put there.
pga office in the center of Belgrade
- it's a flat right in towncenter,
with a computer, internet, kitchen, bathroom and sleeping room. It can be
used by people from abroad who would like to come and help.
pga office in Resnik
- it’s a flat.
Some money is paid for it. Maybe it would be better to find a real office
near july. The school could be used as a bigger office for the conference.
- Giving these two spaces,
8 people could come to live in the two offices to help for the pga work as
well as having a cooking, living and sleeping space.
- it’s the main city congress
hall. We can have it for free if we negociate well. We can a big public opening/presentation
event in this space. with 1000 people and simultaneous translations in 7 languages.
It could also be used for plenary sessions. (the sava center occupation has
still to be decided)
B) a few words about local politics
and situation (knowing that a lot more should be said):
Resnik is part of Rakovica
district. DSS is in power in resnik. It is the Serbian democratic party (extreme
right wing).. They try to appear as democratic and European. Resnik is the poorest
district of Belgrade and right wings parties had the strategy to do a lot of
propaganda towards poor people. There seems to be no actively violent extreme
rights groups. besides of all this poverty and rampant nationalism, there are
a lot of great social life habits and practices that can be found in belgrade
(community life, gardening, street life, market with local producers, various
skillfull ways of self-subsistence, factory struggles...)
C) Info-sharing note from javier
On my last day in Belgrade
I went to visit the DMB factory pictured at the back of the call. I went with
Milosh from Political Combi
We met some people from
the union and workers. Talked about the global movement, the conference and
asked them to get involved. Despite an initial feeling of martian landing, they
reacted quite positively. They will look at what issues they want to talk about
and we (wider we) will have another meeting in june to fine tune.
Issues that came up:
- ownership of technology,
- exchange of experiences
between and east and west (coming to neoliberalism from diff avenues)
- the yugoslav experience
of self-management, theory and reality (they were positive about it but also
critical of the managerial role of the party...) I talked a bit about the
fallacy of opposing environment and labour (moving production to dirtier countries,
social costs, etc), and they seemed interested but clueless. They need a proper
text explaining the issues to be discussed in the conference, etc. They have
already seen the call and agree, but need more concrete info. MIlosh and Ivana
should be in touch. I reckon a round up of the clusters should do, as we wont
have the final programme till july.
There is a big practical thing around the factory. They have a building that
used to be the Faculty of Organisational Sciences during Tito, but it's now
empty. We could use it for workshops and it has a big amphitheatre maybe for
The local union people have a dream-plan to take it out of the privatisation
packages (yes the complex is in the middle of being sold for pennies) and
turn it into a formation and communications/media centre for ex industrial
workers. They were really interested about
Indymedia! They are part of a big union, but we are dealing with local branch
(we met them through the mother of one of the resnik dsm guys)
As it happens in Belgrade, the keys for the building were with someone...
so we couldnt see inside. It looked a bit run down but big. Someone needs
to have a proper look. The main problem would be access, as foreigners need
to register to get in the industrial complex. I can see the revolt, so we
need to devise a way to deal with this in a group way.
Afterwards, we went to visit some union people in another factory who had
been victimised. They were camping outside the gates and cooking lunch to
get people to join them on their break. There were posters with their mugshots
banning them from going in, and telling workers they would be repressed if
they supported them. The security guards were looking over us all the time,
and people in cars were on the other side of the road. It happens that the
factory is run by a big mafioso, ex minister of work. He used to be a union
activist there but now is super rich and corrupt. The courts have said the
unionists had to be reinstated, but he wipes his bum with the court orders.
Milosh will be translating some info into english. It would be nice to send
them some letters, although i explicitly told them not to hope much effective
help. They were interested in the pga and will come in july, maybe some of
us could go one day if they are still camped outside their factory, as it
looks likely unfortunately.
Afterwards we went to the school. I took some pics of the horrible nationalistic
mural outside, which could be transformed as part of the conference, although
it may spark a big local argument. I'm sending them to serge. It would be
great if some postyu person could explain the meaning.
Then we talked to the secretary. She said everything had to be decided by
the director, who wasn't there, and we needed some proper text explaining
She talked for ages about the nice things they do with kids form refugee and
roma backgrounds. They also did some special program with the children of
some unemployed factory workers. I couldnt pick all of it in the translation,
so maybe other people can chip in.
Interestingly, she knew some local people who had tried to do some environmental
project in the area around the lake. They found it very difficult because
the land is under the control of several institutions. Lesson for us, and
she also gave the numbers of those people.
My personal intervention was limited to a ritual performance as the western
sorted partner, bla bla.. but she appeared quite pleased and it looks that
not they believe more in the conference. Before it seems it was just a local
kids crazy story, not there are some internationals involved... this is a
recurrent theme in Belgrade.
Afterwards we saw some really big and nice fields behind the school, and someone
is going to ask about them, probably private but for hire.
We didnt have time to visit the refugee camp near Resnik, but when DSM go
maybe they could write a little report
The other interesting place i visited was the catering factory, but this is
part of a wider report on food for the conference. I think joyce will write
enough for now
D) General Logistic of the conference
it has to be well coordinated.A
lot people can do speficic things
Marco did a presentation
about how it worked in leiden, in order to give a basis for this new conference.
He will add a detailed diagramm to this report, as we more or less decided to
keep large parts of thos organisationnal model.
To put it shortly already,
there was in leiden a coordination group of few people and five working groups:
1. working groups
- A programm group that makes sure
that everything goes together in a coherent program / applications
- a communication group : website,
application for participants , infopoint, contact, newsletter, radio, press
communication / negociation with the authorities / contact with local people.
- a logistic group : location, venues,
campsite, translation, videowork, internetcafe/office, projection, logging,
sanitation/ water, food. / kids group / security (bertha)
- a finance group : participation,
foundraising, travel help….
We had a debate about who would take
decisions between specific groups and coordination group and how these decisions
would be taken outside big preparatory meetings (for example, who decides how
much money can be given to the culture group to welcome bands). But nothing
really clear was consensed on, so I bet we'll have to discuss more about it.
2. Coordination group for the conference
The coordination group will be made of 4 coordination teams of two people
each coordinating the work of the various teams . These coordination group
will have to organise through meetings, mails or irc meetings.
There will be one people from DSM and one people from abroad in each group.
These people need to make sure that the work is done and to ease the coordination
and information flow between the various subgroups.
- the people who proposed themselves :
- Logistics : Marco
- Marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl / majda - mi.family[AT]sezampro.yu
- Program : (maybe
someone from sans-titre/ stella) / ivana – migrativeart[AT]skynet.be
- Finance : joyce -
seeds[AT]gn.apc.org / Milan - decorte[AT]eunet.yu
- Communication : andrej
– zapata[AT]sezampro.yu / asim - paki.tv[AT]cyber-rights.net
E) Logistic specific issues :
Issues that should have
been discussed, but weren't this time!
- money : donation and
- tents and structures
- electricity and telephone
- legal team
- medical team
- renovation of the school
- opening event in the
big conference place
1) the question of people coming
in Belgrade before the conference :
It was asked that the people
involved with the organisation of the conference should could come as much as
possible 5 days in advance
2) next preparation meetings :
After these three days,
many things have still be discussed and it would be important to have a next
preparation meeting in Belgrade. Another international meeting could really
usefull for further negociations.
In the end, it was decided to have both an international preparation meeting
in london, at least with the various people of the coordination group (with
financial help needed for belgrade people to come) but open to others + another
preparation meeting in belgrade in june organised by DSM.
There will be a founding for 4 people from dsm to come to london ( seeds[AT]gn.apc.org
is responsible to make sure that this meeting can happen)
3) archives of the pga-process email
- (C) the pga-process
email list should be archived in an easilly accessible way somewhere. bozavine[AT]yahoo.co
will wipe out the password protection for the archives and send an email to
the process list to explain how it can be found.
4) (C) generic mandate :
- for all of the logistic
groups there was a decision to first look at ecological solutions to build/find
stuffs needed and in last resort to buy or rent capitalist Industrial / chemichal
shits. This mandate will have then to be taken into account and discussed
for each specific point.
5) (D) campsite / venue and lodging
a group has to be built.
The question of building of finding or building big tents hasn’t been
talked about. zabac_car[AT]yahoo.com will start a working group
Comment : in leiden for every conference location, there was always someone
taking care of the place before, during after. so that it would be open, available
and clean afterwards.
6) (D) video
there will be one group
from the uk doing it / somebody from Belgrade is already doing it as well
7) (D) internet café
the main thing is to try to find
a good connection. We also need a group to carry and bring computers and to
build the network djrom[AT]altern.org will start a group.
we need to define the tasks before
mid-may. A need to define the skills that are needed. (building infrastructures
for example, but also cooking, cleaning, info point, facilitation, security
and whatever else during the conference) .
- (C) People will
be asked on the application form what they want to volunteer on..
- (C) We don’t
want specific people to be just volunteers and to have on the other side some
consumers of the conference, but rather to push everybody who will come to
the conference to volunteer and share the various responsibilities, in a spirit
of avoiding too much specialisations.
We’ll have to find goods ways
as clear boards and clear preparations to organize the various tasks needed.
- (C) Opposition
to reduce fees for people who want to volunteer. (nobody is more volunteer
- seeds[AT]gn.apc.org and skrati[AT]yahoo.com
skrati[AT]yahoo.com will contact earth first , eurodusnie and no border to ask
about their experiences with the last camps they organised.
skrati[AT]yahoo.com will start a team
about volunteering and try to identify the various tasks..
and bozavine[AT]yahoo.co are ok to be the coordinators / decorte[AT]eunet.yu wants
to be the local coordinator. It will be discussed tomorrow in plenary. Somebody
is needed for dsm
- Various food not bombs
froup from hungary and croetia want to cook for the conference.
- We can invite rampenplan
collective. They need 1600 euros to come here. After that, we can decide with
them about the price (that could be around 2 or 3 euros per meal).A lot of
people from belgrade really find it too expensive as we could ask some local
enterprise threaten of being privatised.
- A professional collective
from serbia could cook and bring the food in resnik. Their prices are around
2 euros for one meal. Some people want to engage local refugees in doing the
service. Some others didn't want to pay anyone for daily life basic necessities
like food and to have only-volunteer cooking team.
going to keep rempanplan except if the Belgrade food company is politically
acceptable and pass a kind of “ethical test”. There will be a report
from seeds[AT]gn.apc.org about their meeting and “ethical test” on
10) (D) hardware things :
big things that you can’t
put in a bagpack. : video beamers, solar panels, tents, forks, bowls, chairs.
We have to know precisely what kind of paperwork do we need to make it legal
to bring it here. mi.family[AT]sezampro.yu want to be the contact person to build
up a team.
11)Kids group :
want to spend the whole day taking care about the kids. Every group should find
a way to involve the kids in the various activities. The kid group wants to
involve kids in the daily life as well.
- lipjo[AT]no-log.org still
wants to be responsible for it with ..
there should be a discussion about the safety of children and about how people
can get accused of illegal things about children
12 (D) water and sanitary things
we’ll build ecological
- There’s also the
possibility to build showers in the school (debate about that and alternative
- No solutions yet to bring
water and electricity to the camp.
lipjo[AT]no-log.org will start a group together. lipjo[AT]no-log.org will share skills
about dry toilets.
13) finance report
- decorte[AT]eunet.yu is the
one who has access to the bank account.
- 7000 euros have been
given by a london foundation
- larc has already sent
- 900 from anonymous donation
- ex-minus Y wree asked
from Holland for solidarity
- 600 euros will be donated
for the resnik office.
- 300 euros for the flat
- 950 for the printed call
- 400 euros have been lost
and the finance comitte doesn’t want to recover that money. sezampro.yu
- larc will find 1500 euros
for visas from Russia
wants to be the coordinator for the finance group.
the finance group is now Milosh / Ivana / Milan / Paco / Asim
1) contact group :
It was till now marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl,
zapata[AT]sezampro.yu and nicolu[AT]no-log.org working through a collective email-box:
Contacts habe been made
during big events as
WSF, ESF, antiWEF, and the glocal meeting in germany and autonomy meeting in
berlin.…. Successful contacts have been made with the anarchist magazine
Abolishing the frontier from below (which does a great job in networking eastern
anarchists groups) who wrote a series of article about pga.
Many mail contacts have
been made and will continue by adding people to the pga-conference-newsletter
–list (nicolu[AT]no-log.org will take care of that with marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl)
Everybody who has datas of contact should send it nicolu[AT]no-log.org who will
put it together and make it available for contact group people.
milosh, stefan from dsm and momo from germany (please let me know your mail
adresses ?) will join the group and help to answer to the various mails and
requests on the pgaeuconfcontactemailbox.
2) contacts with the no border network
- the No Border
network organize a caravane tour starting from ljubljiana and will have an
embedded meeting during the conference. matias[AT]q-olio.net and momo will keep
in touch with the no border network.
- matias[AT]q-olio.net and
someone from dsm will present pga at the anti EU-summit actions in poland.
3) Groups from eastern Europe linked
with social forums but apparently working in more horizontal ways will also
have their own meeting during the conference.
- There will also be an indymedia
summercamp in Croatia.
4) work on the newsletter :
- The Newsletter exist in german,
French and english, French. It should be translated more and spread widerly.
Stefan will make sure it’s translated in serbo-croeatian. Send translated
versions to marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl for PDF
5) work on the conference call :
- The call has been translated
in a few language and has been printed in Belgrade.
- The printed call should
be spread widely around europe before the conference.
- It's possible to ask
some to : ivana – migrativeart[AT]skynet.be
6) (D) Limits on opening.
- There are PGA principles
and groups who will or would like to participate and that don’t really
fit to the principles. There are also various groups such as ya basta or Nordic
organisations that are accused of complicity and work with state/police/political
party. How can keep some radicality and openness ?
Javier[AT]spc.org is going to write a paper to explore this issue (not to conclude
- serge[AT]eurodusnie.nl will
carry on doing things. Each specific working groups should send him every
8)(C) wiki :
- a wiki will be created by paki.tv[AT]cyber-rights.net
for the contact work and puted on the website.
9) (C) IRC meetings :
- there will be IRC meeting announced
on the publicly on the process list whenever needed by any working or coordination
10) new conference newsletter :
- (C) marco[AT]eurodusnie.nl
will do a newsletter to present the conference / stage of preparation and
ways of involvment, using the minutes of this last meeting.
10) (P) Applications :
- who is going collect
- For post-yougoslavia
there will also be a paper form and someone from DSM taking care to send the
paper application to the people who collect the informations
11) (P) (D) Visibility and medias:
we need to have a debate
with local people about the best ways to introduce the conference to local authorities.
We decided to wait for the negociations to be a bit successfull to communicate
with the medias about the conference.
Nobody will speak in the name of PGA network, but in their name or their collective.
After the content debate, a group will take the responsibility to write a
document that explain factual things about the conference and explain the
political lines that we want to push through this conference (see the content
discussion) based on the various text about the main political issues.
This document will be used as a basis for various groups who would like to
do press release work about the conference. This document will be signed by
different groups, involved with the preparation of the conference and not
Press releases will be signed by groups who do it.
We'll create an international press team wich will make sure that some press
releases and contacts with medias are made and to link medias with various
groups that could answer interviews. We'll have to make sure that it's different
people who will talk to the medias and not always the same one.
12) (D) opening event in Belgrade
There’s a big institutional
place in Belgrade where a big public opening event to present pga could be organised.
We could invite various groups even from elsewhere that Europe to come and present
13) (P) (D) translations:
- we could have simultaneaous
translation with help of Babel network (a network of translators who work
with social forums but are also ready to work with more radical structures
as long as it can help them as well to make some contacts for theit translator
jobs). We need a local Babel coordinator in belgrade and they need to cover
their cost. zapata[AT]sezampro.yu will try to find people who could be interested.
to do that.
- Javier[AT]spc.org is the
one who has the contact with babal for now.
14) (P) (D) contacts with local
- We’ll send a call
for groups to come in advance and propose small outreach initiatives (stret
theatre, movies, food, debates) in resnik to prepare the arrival of a lot
more people in resnik.
- We’re really reluctant
to do anything that would noisily disturb local people.
- There should be various
cultural events for various people and we would like to be carefull not to
be too marginal in what we propose. .
15) wages and money during the conference
- starting from the food
there was a debate about what and who we pay for during the conference :
- There is a need to debate
about people earning wages and working for the conference or not...
- There was a debate about
the kind of wage salary work that could be accepted during a PGA conference.
We debated wether, given the local context, it was a western anticapitalist
activist ideological approach to impose our pure views and values on not having
people paid for basic things during the conference.
- We spoke again about
Leon Cavallo who choosed to employ people without papers to do the cleaning
during the conference they organised a few years ago. Some thought it was
a way to help these people and find them paper in the italian context, some
thought it was really crazy to have activist speaking on one side and people
without paper cleaning their shit on the other.
- There’s no perfect
model and blueprints.if we want to be able to organize things in very different
local contexts. Things have to be debated every time.
Wherever possible for the practicalities of the camp, we’ll use non-profit
collectives and volunteer based solutions. For large tasks we’ll use
collectives that agree with the ethics of the pga. When not possible we’ll
use a collectives that is as close as possible from the pga principles.
G) content and program:
1) main themes and how we'll work
After much debates (the
notes about these debates weren't taken) about the content and names of the
various main issues of the conference, we decided to (it was a complicated debate
and the notes are partly missing, so I try to organize memories. I may do some
mistakes): have 8 main issues that we want to make sure to push and create a
dynamic of work around before the conference. for all these issues, there will
be people (issue coordinators) who take the responsibility to write a political
text to present the issue these text can be used in the reader or newsletter
of the conference, send on the lists before the conference to help people to
find workshops and debates that can fit in. these texts can be used by or inspire
the various people who are going to do some press work about the conference.
These texts don't give any
« pga » commonly agreed political ideology, but are just texts of
people or collectives who want to present roughly their problematic about an
issue and put it into debate. Therefore, these text won't be signed or presented
as some “pga” texts, but simply signed by the people or collectives
who wrote it. The people who take the responsibility to work on some issue will
try to coordinate the various workshops with each other and maybe create links
between the people who want to work on the same issue. People who want to work
on one of the issue can either directly contact the people who coordinator for
one issue or just send the application form for their workshop. The people who
take care of the application form will then make it known to the people who
are coordinators for one issue.
Does that make sense ??????
The various issues and
people responsible for it (these coordination groups are open, so please join
them and contact the people !) :
- Gender issues:
- Working conditions,
class, workers and non-workers struggles, labor society (that's not the final
name for this issues but just words to define what we want to talk about):
migrativeart[AT]skynet.be + Stella and Dimitris from eurodusnie but I don't have
their email adresses
- Critics of industrial
society, sustainable technologies: nicolu[AT]chutelibre.org (but he's
going to find another contact inside the sans-titre network.)
- Critics of European
integration, Balkan situation, nationalism: migrativeart[AT]skynet.be
to capitalism: zapata[AT]sezampro.yu
of politics, wars, imperialism and social control: bozavine[AT]yahoo.co
- Global movement
: Are we a mouvement ? what next ? Going out of the ghetto ? : skrati[AT]yahoo.com
2) about the gender group proposals
the various proposals (gender day during the conference, women-only space,
questionnaire, text about sexual abuse...) from the gender group were finally
accepted. The work done since october (questionnaire, contact with groups,
text about sexual harassment, workshops and creation of a discussion list)
has been presented.
- Some people recalled
why a politic of group separation, in the context of the recent yougoslavian
history, could be taken in a bad way and that it had to be thought about.
nicolu[AT]chute-libre.org precised that, if a women-only space was surely needed
and asked, it was pretty much different for men and that the idea was just
to propose some men-only discussions or workshops for those interested, but
without the need to have any permanent space.
- It is also clear that
gender workshops are not only about gender issue inside the “movement”,
but about gender issue in society/counter society in general and that the
aim is to link as much as possible gender issues with issues discussed through
3) about the cultural program :
The culture part is organised
by two collectives involved with DSM
It will organize events mainly in the night, and for now mainly gigs every
evening of the week/ maybe some in the community center. There will be a diversity
of musical styles.
Who should decide about the money given for the programm festival ?
They agree to put a stage in a place where it will not disturb people.
- others things mentionned
in reaction to the presentation of the cultural programm but that we couldn't
have time to debate about :
It would be good to try to involve the groups/bands/cultural actors/actresses
in some workshops and political activities of the conference as a way to prevent
a big division between culture and politics.
The cultural program could maybe take more various forms than the one proposed
here (mainly gigs)
The problem of alcohol and drugs atmosphere during gigs can easilly help violence
racist/sexist/homophobic attitudes to arise. We should therefore talk very
seriously about the ways to prevent all that.
There’s the question from the culture group to have another bigger festival
during the conference in resnik and they asked us what we would think of it.
: there was a point about the importance to find activities that could be
participative for local people
H) Evaluation and feedbacks on the
some really short notes about the
evaluation (people are welcomed to send more detailed ones as the time we took
for it and the notes are both short):
- j : problem with the dsm email
address. There’s a big question of chaos around this week-end. It’s
not clear how much good communications there’s inside dsm.
- M :this meeting has
been much better than the last one. More people came and more clarifications
- M : if you put these different
people during one week, problem will occur. It has been really stressfull
- P : he has more informations
about pga. He will do more work in bosnia to get people involved and to find
- M: lots of points are still really
uncleared. Disapointed to discuss about things like food during three hours.she
hope it can still be a success.
- M : a lot of people were talking
about keeping contact with the community and opening the movement and going
at the same time into Macro politics and putting their own agenda.
- M : real olitical events and
stuffs were not talked enough about
- M : meetings should have started
- N : we have a lot of communication
problem but it’s probably going to be good.
- X : it’s really
interesting to work in this conditions. There’s a big gap between younger
generation of activists and older and more experienced people inside dsm.
- M : she has learned a lot from
this meeting. And they will take thing more into their hands.
- R : there’s a problem of
transparency. Lack of political discussions.